Vicky Knee

Michael Pacheco 0:00
pewter, not record to the cloud.

Vicky Knee 0:03
Yeah, I know.

Michael Pacheco 0:06
All right, here we go. Hello, everybody. Welcome once again to another episode of the remarkable coach podcast. As always, I’m your host, Michael Pacheco. And today with me, I have Vicki knee. Vicki helps clients navigate through the human, emotional and sometimes irrational stuff that you need to work through so that you can be the best to you. She likes to coach with methods that are helpful, practical and simple to implement. And her training includes things like life business mindset transformation, and cognitive behavioral therapy. How did I do that? Very well. Wonderful. Awesome. Vicki, thank you so much for making time to chat with me here. And welcome to the remarkable coach.

Vicky Knee 0:51
Well, thank you for inviting me back.

Michael Pacheco 0:53
Yeah, absolutely. So for our viewers and listeners that may not know we actually, Vicki and I recorded an episode. Maybe a year and a half ago, give or take,

Vicky Knee 1:04
you know what, it’s so hard to tell? I’d have to look at my diary. But it was at least a year ago,

Michael Pacheco 1:08
it was a minute ago. Yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah. And, and it there was just some some issues in the podcast. And it ended up being something that we decided not to publish. So I had the opportunity to connect with Vicki again and invited her back. So we’re going to try it again. And here we go.

Vicky Knee 1:27
Twice. Second time is the charm.

Michael Pacheco 1:30
There you go. Second, time’s a charm. So Vicki, with the with this podcast, I like to open it up by simply inviting our guests to tell us a little bit more about yourself in your own words, and why you do what you do.

Vicky Knee 1:42
Okay, well, basically, I do what I do, because I’m, I’m kind of addicted to working with people and helping people through their issues. I’m, I’m kind of the person that I’ve always been this way, you know, if I’m in the hardware store in somebody is having trouble finding something, I’ll help them go off and become a hardware store staff or, you know, or I but in and, and just provide my, my assistance wherever I see it’s needed. But, but the coaching is, is it’s a personal item for me, because I do see today, more and more people really need that ally, they really need that expertise of having somebody kind of stand and walk next to them, who is trained to ask the questions to stay impartial, right, and stay on bias biased in the outcome. And to offer the best best reflective questioning that is possible. So I’ve invested quite a bit in my training to teach me how to do that. Because it’s, there’s a there’s a real knack to it, and it doesn’t come naturally from so I enjoyed learning it and I enjoy practicing it and I see the benefit of it. And that’s what keeps me going. Is

Michael Pacheco 3:17
I love it. The you mentioned just helping out random people at stores and that reminded me of in my in my 20s I owned an art gallery and kind of hung out in the art scene in Portland quite a bit. And there was this ridiculous meme that was floating around. And it said I remember it it was it was a picture of an owl with a cigarette hanging out of its mouth. And it said walks into art store. No I don’t work here but yes, I can help you. Love it. And I at one point I think maybe I had that as like my profile photo on on Facebook or something like that, because it was just it made me laugh and it was like I was like yeah, that’s me.

Vicky Knee 4:09
So you do the same thing that

Michael Pacheco 4:10
no, huh? Yeah. No, no.

Vicky Knee 4:13
Are you an artist?

Michael Pacheco 4:16
Photographer photographer.

Vicky Knee 4:18
Oh, okay.

Michael Pacheco 4:19
Former former photographer years ago. It’s been a minute.

Vicky Knee 4:25
You did fine art photography is what you’re saying? Yeah, yeah. Real Money, money. It’s true.

Michael Pacheco 4:34
That’s how I made my millions of pennies.

Vicky Knee 4:39
Pennies. I actually that’s my background. I have a lot of friends in Alberta. Who who are photographers. actually used to have a photo studio. Nice. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So very cool. Yeah,

Michael Pacheco 4:57
I used to I had a converted closet dark room with a 35 millimeter medium format I would print everything myself it was it was flat.

Vicky Knee 5:08
Did you do color as well as black and white? Or just black? Everything? Yeah, we think okay, yeah.

Michael Pacheco 5:16
Anyways, I, we digress,

Vicky Knee 5:19
we could be talking about this all day my ex was the is the photographer.

Michael Pacheco 5:27
Okay, yeah, well circle back to coaching. Let’s who tell us tell us who are your typical clients? Now who do you Who do you work with?

Vicky Knee 5:39
It’s, it’s really funny because typically my clients, because I took a look at this just the other day because I wanted to, you know, I was curious, I’m getting close, and we’re working with and because they really have a broad demographic, but there is a common common thread going through them. And typically, they are very interested in self improvement. And in self awareness, they are being in touch with their with their own who they are is very important to them. They, they have high degree of integrity. I mean, I just got the best clients in the world, I think, right? I mean, they, they, they are striving, and they, they are trying, they’re tired of doing it by themselves. Right. And not that everybody needs to do it by themselves. Because a lot of people have got support from friends and family. And I always caution people with that, because friends and family can also they’ve got they’ve got skin in the game, when they’re helping you when they’re listening to your problems. And when they’re, you know, so I mean, if are you going to talk to your buddy, if you’ve got problems at work, if he’s, you know, let you know, like, they will give you the best advice that can but usually there’s a bias, they have an outcome that sure is helpful to them, and not to you. And I do believe that everybody, everybody does have the capacity to coach themselves. So that’s the other thing I do is I teach people strategies that they can use over and over and over again, in different situations. And then you know, so that they’re not kind of client for life. They are self sufficient, they can recognize, you know, when, when they can do it, or they can, you know, try to do it on their own. And if they need to, they can connect with me, or if they want to connect with somebody different. If they can do that. I mean, it might be like, a health issue or an exercise issue. And clearly, that’s not me. But if so, so, yeah, if these people are all smart, they’re self aware, they’re responsible, and all in their own way. But at but they have recognized that they need a little bit of help from some, somebody who knows how to guide them, and how to how to kind of walk with them. And hopefully, you know, I mean, I encourage people to find somebody to help them, you know, and

Michael Pacheco 8:53
sometimes I think, you know, talking to, you know, a buddy or a spouse or even a smart uncle or aunt. It can sometimes just not be enough, right. Yeah, it helps, especially for someone who’s very close to you. I think it helps to. Well, let me rephrase that. I think someone that is very close to you, as you said, can have a bias, right, because they’re involved, and they’re not that they know it or not. Yeah, absolutely. And I don’t know, you know, whether or not they’re giving advice that benefits themselves might might be debatable in any given situation. And I think that if they’re close enough to you, you know, they are not going to be able to come at your problems with a fresh set of eyes and a fresh pair of ears. Right. And that’s what

Vicky Knee 9:48
happens to a lot of people. Either they’ve, they’re, they’re hanging out with people that they’ve known since they were in kindergarten and they They’re that persona that they’re carrying with them that mindset that, who they are, their identity is not the healthiest, it’s not the best way, it’s not the one that’s going to get them to success, it’s not the one that’s going to get them to happiness, you know, they might be remembered or labeled by friends and family that have known them forever, you know, as, you know, the goofy kid, or as you know, the lazy kid, or as the troubled kid, or as, you know, like set with some sort of negative connotation. And people do this without even really realizing that how harmful it is of how, how hurtful it is, but they will perpetuate that that label for that person. And so how are you going to grow? How are you going to break out of that negative mindset that that unhelpful belief that you are not worthy that you’re not the one that can, can, you know, do this, if that’s all you’re hearing, right. And also, the other opposite end of the spectrum is in and this is especially true with with family, you know, or spouses and that they want to be supportive, they want to be helpful, they want to make, you know, they don’t want to say anything negative to you, right? And so if you’ve got a really crappy idea, right? You know, they’re not going to tell you, it’s a crappy idea. I’m not going to tell you, it’s a crappy idea. But I have learned ways of bringing you to that realization on your own. And, you know, you might still look at that idea and say, you know, what, yeah, it might be looked at as crappy but I think I still want to do it. Well, okay, let’s get a plan to make this the least. crappy, crappy idea. Right.

Michael Pacheco 11:58
Savage?

Vicky Knee 12:01
Yeah, it is. It’s, you know, but but there’s gotta work, you got to figure out how to make it through all that. swamp water?

Michael Pacheco 12:10
Yeah. How would you? How do you? So how do you categorize yourself? Are you a life coach, business coach,

Vicky Knee 12:17
you know, I have a confession to make. Any time you go to my LinkedIn profile, you’re probably going to see a different type of coaching, let’s fit there. I am a life coach, a business coach and clarity coach and mindset coach. And like I say, you know, I help people with limiting beliefs with, with working their sense through that. So. But but you know, what, it’s, it’s a holistic approach that I feel like I’m taking, because all of those components will make up one full person. There. So so, you know, I don’t, I have not been able to figure out how to work with this sliver of a person while ignoring the rest of them. Does that make

Michael Pacheco 13:19
sense? Yeah, no, no, completely. Yeah. And honestly, like, it’s kind of, so on this on this podcast, in particular, it’s been kind of a running joke, that every, you know, executive leadership coach that works with the most the highest paid CEOs in existence. They’re secretly life coaches.

Vicky Knee 13:41
Yeah. But I mean, how do you separate your life from your business? Right, exactly. And then especially if you’re at a high level, of, of, you know, executive function in your, you know, those are the guys, they don’t need me to teach them how to create a strategy to, you know, make more sales or do more marketing or, you know, HR, whatever, they need help in the interpersonal relationships that they’re having with themselves. Right, because that voice inside of their head is the loudest one, that is the most negative one, that’s the most critical one, right? And because it’s the one that is bringing all the memories of, you know, the childhood taunting, they, you know, the lack the, the I guess, what, the term be the, the gap, you know, the stuff that’s missing, you know, from person’s personality or character, and none of it is missing. None of it is bad, right? It’s just our belief and how we see it. And so When I now I’ve never ever considered myself an executive coach, because I, I really haven’t gone after the market. But if you’re an executive and you want to give me a try, I’m happy to give it a whirl. But it’s it important for people to understand that the more important thing is to to have empathy to have some some clarity of of what that person is saying what they’re going through how they’re, what they’re what they’re aiming towards, so that they can affect the right change in their life so that they can kind of reach their potential. Okay, whether they’re

Michael Pacheco 15:48
Vicki, where do you get your Where do you get your clients? How do you market yourself?

Vicky Knee 15:52
Oh, well, badly. I’m like, I’m like the whole the whole gang of coaches out there that is like, hire me? No. I don’t know, like referrals. Is this mostly where I get it? Yeah. And, you know, and just through conversations, and you know, somebody may be follows by one of my social medias, which I hope to be, I’m gonna start a podcast. There you go. Yeah, actually, I’ve been working on that. And it’s, it’s watch for it coming out in in the summer. It’s good, should be all ready to go. So its title is in a dual search for grants from a short, broad. What is it called? Grants from a short, broad, I love it. And it’s just going to be very eclectic, very short snippets of, of audio of just me sharing my thoughts, sharing my ideas. My, you know, like, something’s happened in the news, I might have something to say about it. I hear some good music, I might want to share it. You know, like, just just kind of like, who knows what is going to come in through this minute, right. But I just, I just want to have fun with it. I really do. And I also hope that as I’m going through it and finding my my audience and my voice I hoping I will be helping them to get whatever it is that they want to get out of it. You know, so it’s going to be a very experimental process for me, because it’s going to be a contribution from both sides, from the listener and from me, right, so I don’t know, it might go nowhere. I might decide I hate it. I don’t have a clue.

Michael Pacheco 17:54
Give it a try. Not gonna hurt.

Vicky Knee 17:57
Yeah. If nothing else, I just have, you know, a little bit of fun with it and find out how I like it. When’s

Michael Pacheco 18:07
the when’s the EP launched already? or is that coming

Vicky Knee 18:10
up? I haven’t launched already. But I’m, I’m, I’m looking at, I’m still gonna do the, you know, finalize the intro editing. And, you know, they all have that kind of sticky part, you know, and I’d like to get about nine or 10 episodes in the can before I before I drop it, so yeah, but I’m, I’m aiming for summer. So it’ll be good summer listening, you know, when you’re driving to the beach. Right. Love it.

Michael Pacheco 18:40
Love it. Yeah, that’s great. So we do at boxer we do we call it podcast logistics. So we do. Yeah, yeah. Approach pro tip for you. If you’re getting 1010 episodes in the can is smart. When you release, release, release, start out with like, five episodes, release five episodes all at once at the same time. Okay. Yeah. Right. When you write when you start,

Vicky Knee 19:04
people have listened to more than one right? They don’t have to. Yeah,

Michael Pacheco 19:08
it will give you a little boost in the algorithm. So if people subscribe, there’ll be downloading hopefully, right? They’ll be downloading the first five episodes to check those out. So in in iTunes and Apple Music or Apple podcast, Google Play, it’ll show that you’ve got you know, five downloads instead of just one because you got five episodes up there.

Vicky Knee 19:29
Right. Right. Right. Right, that makes perfect sense. And I think that, you know, with the with the prevalence of, you know, Netflix and prime and all of these streaming services, our consumption or media consumption has really veered towards the binge met you know, mindset, right. So you know, when we find something that we want to listen to, were typically going to either watch more than one episode or listen to within what, you know, so and we’re just getting kind of rewired that way. So, yeah, absolutely. And so and that’s also part of part of what I want to help people with is, you know, I do a little bit of business coaching, you know, for small business. And because I just love business, you know what I was in Calgary, and I had a number of them. And so, and trust me, you don’t want to make that many mistakes, and let them go to waste not use the expertise that you have all the things that you’ve done wrong. I know it’s making me sound really bad. But but but no, I’m still here. And I’m still kicking, and I’m still still around. So I think I consider myself a success. And

Michael Pacheco 20:54
I think most people listening to this podcast are of the mindset that if you’re not, you know, if you’re not failing somewhere, you’re not learning anything. I mean, you can learn from successes to an extent, but you certainly learn more how

Vicky Knee 21:09
much you learned, you don’t know what you did, you didn’t know what you did to make it a success. Whereas it’s often very easy to identify what you did wrong. Yeah, it’s clear. It’s much more clear. Yeah. Now, I mean, you can, you know, if you if, you know, if you’ve done it over and over and over again, so you know, what you’re supposed to do, and you know, that you did it. Right. That’s a different thing. Right. But, you know, and, and I do exaggerate a little bit for for, you know, some humor, too. But, but, ya know, it’s, it’s, that’s, that’s sort of the other thing that I can add to, to my little, you know, kind of ranting podcast, right is, you know, I pay attention to Current Affairs, and, you know, yeah,

Michael Pacheco 22:05
yeah, basically, this business tips or any kind of, you know, advice and stuff that pops into your head, it’d be good to just well, real quick, keep your phone handy and recorded into your phone in your pocket.

Vicky Knee 22:18
But one of the things that one of the things I see people doing a lot of, as far as business goes, that I makes me question is, they’re, they’re very quick to accept the norms and the, the kind of the rules of the road for a particular business and, and you know, for for small business, right? So Oh, no, no, we this is this is we’ve always use this thing for that. So this is what we’re going to use for that. We’ve done it this way. It’s this long, we don’t want to break any of the rules, right? Because that’s how we fail. But I see that my observance has been that people who are disruptive in the marketplace once they win the biggest they also take the biggest risk you know, they might fail the business too. But I mean unless you do something really stupid that’s probably not going to have

Michael Pacheco 23:22
its calculates about the calculated risk.

Vicky Knee 23:25
Yes, yeah. Yeah, that’s right. You know so so me and different people can can have us have a different tolerance towards risk you know, so if they’ve already had a certain high level of success they can they can they can you know, wage rough waters a little bit easier and survive rather than you know, somebody who’s just starting out you know, maybe you know a little unsure themselves not you know, not much backing or whatever but but that’s that’s not a lot of fun

Michael Pacheco 24:05
it’s gonna be an adventure what what sort of things do you struggle with as as a coach

Vicky Knee 24:20
I struggle with

so many No. No, I struggled. I struggled the most, I think with sales. Okay. You know, just making a sales call making you know, doing that, join that, that outreach that call because I truly am of the mind that I would do this kind of work for nothing. If I didn’t have to pay the bills, right. I really would. I mean, that’s I’m so much I believe in it and in love it. And in also. But But I am slowly learning about time that, that if I don’t, if I don’t charge if I don’t make the sales that I’m no good to anybody. And you know, really people aren’t going to value what I offer if there’s not a price tag.

Michael Pacheco 25:31
That’s a great, that’s a great point. That second part too. So well first of all, yeah, if you’re not, if you’re not making the sale, you’re not helping the person. Right. So by making the sale, you’re helping someone. And number two. So there is there’s a famous study famous in marketing circles that I believe was written about in your countrymen’s book, Robert chill Dini, who is Canadian. And he is wrote the book Influence, I think this is where I first read this. And what he talks about in this, this this study is you get the there’s three glasses of wine, one labeled inexpensive, one labeled mid priced, and one labeled expensive. And they do the taste test. Do you know, you might know this, you know where this is going? Yeah, they taste it all. And people rated the wine as you might expect, right? The expensive wine, people thought it was really good. This this is delicious, right? The mid priced wine, people thought it was ALRIGHT. And the low priced wine, people thought it was just so so of course, the big reveal the man behind the curtain, all three glasses were the same damn wine. And so there is there is like psychological perceived value in high prices, you know, Louis Vuitton purses, a coach, Coach purses, stuff like that, right? It’s different than, than a bag, a handbag or a shoulder bag that you might get a target. But people will pay 1000s of dollars for it. Because of the because because of the brands. The exclusivity, like not everyone can get this fancy stuff. So it makes me feel better about having it about drinking that expensive wine.

Vicky Knee 27:24
People are shows people tie their identity with external things on all the time, and especially if, well, I’m not especially but but if if material things are important to you, if status is important to you, then you are going to seek status and status is going to bullshit it’s going to trick you into into doing something or believing something that is not true. Typically about yourself. Right? So, so if status is important, then you’re going to say, in your mind, I’m not talking out loud, I’m talking about in your mind, you might tell yourself if I act like a really rich and I have this, these these things to to prop that up, then I will appear to be rich and successful. And then people wonder where impostor syndrome comes from, which is, you know, manifests itself in many different ways. So, you know, there’s not just the one, you know, a manifestation of it, but there’s many different ways that it appears in people’s lives. And so, I mean, that’s a whole other show. Yeah, but but it’s just little things like that. And now I’m not saying don’t buy the, you know, Gucci bag or, you know, like the Coco Chanel perfume or that, you know, I’m all I’m saying is is that understand that you are not that thing, that thing is not you, right? And so, to you know, if you don’t have that thing, like you know, if you go through a rough spot, you know, financial aid, for example, and you need to cut back that does not impact that does not make you a lesser person. That simply means that you’ve got the the smarts and the wherewithal to recognize that danger, and to do something about it in the right time.

Michael Pacheco 29:51
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, there’s, you know, at the same time, it’s a it’s a delicate line, right? You don’t want it Nobody, whether you’re, you know, getting something fancy from Coco Chanel or you know something at, you know Kroger’s, or or whatever. You don’t want to let your stuff define you. Right, like, you know, you can’t take it with you.

Vicky Knee 30:21
So Well, I mean,

Michael Pacheco 30:25
at the same time, and at the same time, I think I would, you know, I would encourage business owners and coaches, and perhaps yourself to consider the idea that perhaps raising your prices might benefit your clients and customers even more. Yeah, and helping them for free, because they’re going to take what you say, if you’re, you know, if you’re, if you if you charge someone $10 and give them a piece of advice, they’re going to, they’re going to, in the back of their head, your advice is worth $10 If you charge someone $100,000 and give them a piece of advice, you better say, Dude, you better bet they’re going to take that advice very seriously. Because it cost them 100 bucks or $100,000.

Vicky Knee 31:12
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. It really it. And that’s, that’s also where the mindset comes from. So it’s, you know, nothing is nothing is set in stone, as far as you know, like, or 100%, you know, everything is, you know, you’ve got to take it all with a grain of salt. And, and put it in perspective, put it in, in relationship to with, with the rest of what you’re doing, what you’re about, and how you’re, you’re living. So if you’re, if you’re creating this, this situation, where you are looking to, you’re looking to be something that you’re not then number one, you know, it number two people that no, you know, it just it just, it just so unhealthy. And this is one of the reasons why, you know, like, my concern for the, for the very young population for the youth, because, you know, they’re growing up in Instagram, kind of Facebook type of, you know, celebrity, you know, like, being a celebrity is now a job. Right. And I don’t know, how fulfilling it is, as a job or as a career, you know, so, so that could be a study that gets done. I don’t know, but I see too many kids these days. I mean, they, they’re, they’re afraid to make wasn’t, you know, like, make a phone call to to annatto, you know, get their phone hooked up. You know, my,

Michael Pacheco 33:06
my wife is a 35 year old millennial, and she hates making phone calls. And she’s 35. So yeah, that’s a real thing.

Vicky Knee 33:16
It is a real thing. It really, I mean, I sound flippant, when it said, but I’m not at all, it’s this, this is high anxiety, that that people are suffering from, too, because because you see, they always have it done for them. You know, mom has always taken care of that. You know, I mean, I’ve read I’ve read situations where the mom goes to the dean’s office with a college student, you know, I mean, and, and basically, you know, overrides anything that that kid wants, does not ask, What do you want? That’s not you know, she’s just, you know, she’s going to be Mama Bear. And she’s going to make sure that she takes care of her little cub. And they intentions are so loving, and so, so good. But the outcome is so disastrous and so, so painful for the for the person. It’s happening to right.

Michael Pacheco 34:26
Yeah, yeah, taking away that independence.

Vicky Knee 34:29
Well, it taking away their independence and also communicating loud and clearly that you do not believe that they are capable. Right? So if you don’t have to say it, you just have to not let them do anything. You know, it’s like, oh, here, let me do the dishes because you don’t know how, right because, you know, they might not do it exactly like you do. Or, you know, like all of these bad little things.

Michael Pacheco 34:55
So, real quick. Yeah. So like you mentioned the dishes like thought Let me do the dishes because you’re not doing them. Right. I just read about that. And then in a book called The Gift of Failure, and I think it’s by Jessica Leahy. Gift of Failure. I’m gonna check real quick here. I’m gonna write that. Yeah. And it’s about pay. It’s a parenting book. I’m reading it because we have a one year old girl now. And I’m trying to not screw her up for you. Yeah, so Gift of Failure, how the best parents learn and let go so their children can succeed by Jessica Lahey. Well, I’ll make sure and throw a link to this book in the show notes. It’s a book on on parenting. And she talks specifically, she mentions about parents who will do things like, you know, they’ll do the dishes, because their kids don’t want to do it, right? Or they’ll do the laundry, because their kids don’t do it. Right. And when their kids do it, maybe mom comes in later. And then refolds does it again, right? That’s like the worst thing that you can do, because you’re sending that message to the child that they didn’t do it right, that they’re, you know, essentially that they’re not good enough, right? Obviously, that’s not what the parent means. But that’s the message that’s coming across through the subconscious. And the great thing about this book is that she offers better ways to do this stuff, right? Like, here’s what you can do instead. And here’s what you can do to give your, your four year old equity in putting dishes away, right? Give them a step stool and help let him help you put or her, let the let the kiddo help you put the dishes away, let the kiddo help you do the laundry and let them do it in their own way.

Vicky Knee 36:46
Absolutely, absolutely. I love that. I love that. Because this is I see I don’t have children. You know, so I, you know, I don’t feel like I can talk about parenting. But I do observe, you know, a lot of, you know, parents and see the results to many of the kids, right. And, you know, like, when you get when you get grown adults having a conversation with their three year old that is that they’re trying to use logic, and let the kid make the decisions, you know, the kid won’t know what a good decision is, if they don’t experience it by you guiding them, and by you making them for him to begin with. Right? Then like, you know, and then there’s there’s little decisions that they could make, like, do you want to wear your, your green pants or your blue pants today? You know, like, that’s the decision, you know, that the kid could be? Not you know, some of the big ones that I’ve seen,

Michael Pacheco 37:51
I think I mean, these these kinds of conversations and this book in particular, this book is is a parenting book, and universal concepts, right? This this, these these concepts can be taken to the workplace, they can be taken, they can be taken to the living room with a spouse, I mean, they’re universal concepts for you know,

Vicky Knee 38:12
this this tag, yeah, these tactics when they’re, if somebody observes that, if all they have to do is do something a little bit wrong or not to your standards, and they will get out of ever having to do it again. Right. They are going to turn around and they’re going to manipulate the situation. So that I mean you end up doing everything right. Oh, who wants to do that? Like so if you don’t want to put up with you know, unless they’re folding your clothes pull their clothes the way they want,

Michael Pacheco 38:52
right? Yeah, absolutely.

Vicky Knee 38:55
Yeah. Anyway, so maybe I should change my my focus on coaching to parent parents

Michael Pacheco 39:06
my qualifications are having never had children

Vicky Knee 39:12
never have I never have children that’s I have a current

Michael Pacheco 39:17
what? Vicki what three books do you recommend that all of your clients read?

Vicky Knee 39:28
I’m so glad you asked. This is a passion of mine. But right off the top of my head right now I’m reading a book called How to do the work.

Michael Pacheco 39:38
And author of that one I know that

Vicky Knee 39:40
Dr. Dr. Nick, oh, how do you say Nicholas but female name? Nicola. Nicola, Dr. Nicola. Yeah, well hola para. Yeah. Amazing book out So look like that tastic book. I’ve got so many notes in my, that’s one book, I usually do an audio book or something like that, because I, but this one, I had to get the hardcopy, you know, and it’s just fantastic. And a classic that I really, really recommend to everybody is a psycho cybernetics. That’s a great one. Yeah. And Maxwell Maltz. So that’s one of the very first one of the original self help books. Have you read it?

Michael Pacheco 40:34
I have. It’s been a minute. But yeah.

Vicky Knee 40:39
And, and then there’s actually one that probably not too many people have have heard of, but it’s Let me grab it.

And back. So both

Michael Pacheco 41:08
leadership and self deception, okay.

Vicky Knee 41:11
Yes. This is it’s, it’s an it’s kind of like, it’s written in the storytelling style of these books, right. But the the whole, the whole thing that he’s, he’s illustrating, and doing a really good job in explaining and showing is, why do people after they’ve made a commitment, or make a promise or enter into some sort of a situation where they’ve done that there is a resentment that happens after a period of a certain period of time, they turn around and they start becoming, they start edging out of that commitment that promise that, you know, situation, you know, and, and I’ve observed this many, many times, you know, just not even in my own relationships with other people. But in, you know, I’m looking at and kind of a voyeuristic kind of fashion. But I see that type of situation where it’s like, he told me that he was going to do blah, blah, blah, now he’s not doing it. And he’s making excuses. And he’s doing this, and he’s doing that. And just the how we justify that stance, how we justify taking that, that position that slide back? In our own minds, right. So it’s, it’s just a little bit of it. I think it’s quite valuable. It opened my eyes a lot, because it’s like, holy smokes. Yes, that does happen. I do that. Awesome. And so hopefully, once you realize that, then you stop doing it.

Michael Pacheco 43:06
Awesome. Well, Vicki, where can our viewers and listeners connect with you online?

Vicky Knee 43:14
Well, I have a website vickyknee.com. And I also am on LinkedIn, and I’m on Facebook, and it’s it’s all just
Vicky Knee

Michael Pacheco 43:25
Awesome. And we’ll of course, yeah. For those of you listening that are maybe not sitting directly in front of a computer. We’ll have links to everything in the show notes.

Vicky Knee 43:36
I’ll send send you everything.

Michael Pacheco 43:38
Yeah, I think I think I may think I have it from our old. Our

Vicky Knee 43:43
old documents thing has changed, and

Michael Pacheco 43:45
they were all good. Sweet, awesome, Vicki, this has been a great conversation. I appreciate you making time.

Vicky Knee 43:53
I appreciate you inviting me back.

Michael Pacheco 43:55
Yeah, you bet. You bet. So yeah, thank you for joining us on remarkable coach. And thank you to our listeners and viewers for joining us again and we’ll see you guys.

Vicky Knee 44:05
I hope they found it somewhat entertaining and enlightening.

Michael Pacheco 44:08
I hope so. Let us know in the comments down below. Or yeah, I mean, I guess if you’re watching this on YouTube, let us know in the comments down below and I can’t really comment on him. podcast app. Like follow subscribe, all that fun stuff.

Vicky Knee 44:25
Absolutely, absolutely.

Michael Pacheco 44:27
Thanks, everybody.

Vicky Knee 44:29
Bye, everybody.