Sohee Jun

[00:00:00] Michael Pacheco: Hey everybody. Welcome once again to another episode of the Remarkable Coach Podcast. As always, I’m your host, Michael Pacheco. And today with me, I have Sohee Jun. Uh, did I pronounce that right? I think. Ah, ish. It’s Jun. Jun? Okay. Sohee Jun. I’m pronouncing it.

Okay. I, I, I went to university in Tokyo. I went to university in Japan. So I’m pronouncing it like as if it were Japanese. It’s not.

[00:00:24] Sohee Jun: It’s similar.

[00:00:26] Michael Pacheco: Um, uh, so he, so as, so he is a top leadership coach, keynote speaker, leadership development expert, and best selling Amazon author. She works with emerging leaders and executives to unleash their untapped power for themselves and their teams.

So he welcomed to the remarkable coach.

[00:00:45] Sohee Jun: Thank you very much. I’ve been looking forward to this combo. We,

[00:00:49] Michael Pacheco: I know we had to reschedule. I think just once, I hope just once. I remember rescheduling once. And we made it here. We are today. I appreciate your, your patience there. And thank you. Yeah. Thank you for making time to chat with me to kind of kick off the podcast.

I always like to invite our guest to just tell us a little bit more about yourself and your own words and why you do what you do.

[00:01:14] Sohee Jun: Gosh, I, I, I have the honor. I think, you know, I love sharing the story, which is I don’t see what I do as work in the typical sense. I see it as a way for me to use my superpowers to be in service.

Of highly successful women and leaders that I get to help be, you know, go from good to great. And the reason why I work specifically with that niche of highly successful women and top leaders is because I coach from live it lived experience, which means. Not only have I been a leader, so I understand the challenges of what that’s like in small corporations, big corporations, bureaucratic corporations.

I’ve done all of that within my career. And so I think that that’s really valuable that I don’t just have the degrees, which I obviously do. I’m a doctor in organizational psychology, and I’ve been coaching for over 20 plus years, which gives me a wide breadth of experience. And I hone in specifically on that.

Niche because I believe that I bring the most value from coaching from lived experience and bringing all the theory and all the frameworks along with that. I

[00:02:28] Michael Pacheco: love that. Yeah. So you can kind of, you can approach things not just from a theory perspective, but from a been there, done that perspective as well.

Yeah,

[00:02:36] Sohee Jun: which I think is so needed, right? I mean, it’s one thing to take advice from mentors and things, but when you have a coach, you really want to make sure that they understand. Intimately the challenges. I mean, it’s, it’s not easy per se, but yes, people can speak to what they think they know or what they’ve heard.

But the real value, I believe that my unique superpower is being able to say I’ve done that and I know what that challenge is like, especially being a woman in the working

[00:03:05] Michael Pacheco: world. Nice. Nice. So you use your superpowers to do this coaching. Tell me, tell me about your superpowers. What are your, what are your

[00:03:15] Sohee Jun: superpowers?

Let’s see. I have many, um, but my top superpowers are in being able to Listen in a way that allows people to be heard. I think, you know, I heard this recently, which Michael, I don’t know if you feel this way, but there’s a lot of communication going on in the world and there’s ways that people talk at you to you and, um, for you, but the real, uh, I think value of my superpower is being able to intimately understand and hear not to, um, um, Tell you what you should do, but to understand and ask those really difficult questions that get people to reflect.

And that really comes from a place of being very present. And listening for understanding versus listening to tell you what to do. So that’s 1 superpower is my ability to do that to also meet people where they’re at. Um, and I have, I’ve again, the honor of working with people in all different areas and facets of life, CEOs, VPs, entrepreneurs, creatives.

And that means that I have to be able to adjust and flex to where they’re at in their leadership journey, and also to provide the valuable tools that’s necessary in the moment. So, while a lot of people come with frameworks and. Canned solutions, my superpower is being able to say here, Michael, this is exactly what I’m hearing.

You say right now is your most pressing need. And here are the, the, the toolkits and the things that I’ve done. And I think that’s where it becomes really meaningful in the relationship where you build trust and credibility is being able to do that nuanced. And then my last superpower is just the ability to have it, have it be fun.

You know, I think there’s a lot of heaviness in the world. I think that there’s a lot of, um, things that people carry around with them. And sometimes we need a little lightness. So I’d like to bring that too, into my work.

[00:05:18] Michael Pacheco: Especially at high levels of leadership, right? I mean, there’s a lot of pressure

coming from everywhere, coming from shareholders, stakeholders coming from below, coming from your left and your right. Like, yeah.

[00:05:30] Sohee Jun: Yeah. And then, you know, add that with, I recently did a keynote where I talked about leading in complex times and God, are we in complex times we’ve lived through one of the most complex times recently with the pandemic.

And I don’t know what that was like for you, but that was really difficult. And even more so when you are in charge of people, the numbers of people as leaders are in charge of it’s. So difficult to hold themselves, um, accountable and centered and then lead others through difficult times. It’s yeah. So I feel like you, you probably talking to the coach that you talked to, you get

[00:06:08] Michael Pacheco: a sense of that.

Nice. Nice. So you’ve got superpowers and I can see, and I can see from your website that you’ve worked with Disney. When’s the movie coming out?

[00:06:21] Sohee Jun: When is my movie coming out? Let’s put that out

[00:06:23] Michael Pacheco: there. I demand to know.

[00:06:28] Sohee Jun: Michael put that out into the universe. Just like, I need a documentary about my life. Yeah.

[00:06:34] Michael Pacheco: Our, our, our, our viewers, our listeners demand a

[00:06:38] Sohee Jun: movie. I’ll tell you what, it would be really, it would be an adventure. What, what’s the genre it would be. Documentary, but also very adventure filled and comedic at times. Uh huh.

[00:06:49] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. It could be. Yeah. I mean, uh, a personal, a personal growth comedy. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:59] Sohee Jun: Working through the dark times. We got to work on the title of Michael, like of this, but it’s, um, one.

[00:07:05] Michael Pacheco: There might be another podcast.

[00:07:08] Sohee Jun: Let’s do another podcast on that one. I agree. But I think too, I mean, this gets to something I was sharing with a mentor of mine recently, and I, and I fully believe this is that I am in service of, again, amplifying, not, you know, not that I’m advocating for myself, but I think that the world needs to see more folks like me, like women that are doing work in service of you.

Amplifying and advocating for other women, um, and certainly in the workplace. And I deal a lot with, uh, highly successful women that have a lot of challenges still and are dealing with critics and dealing with a lot of nuanced challenges. And I love tackling

[00:07:48] Michael Pacheco: that. Yeah. What you were, uh, you’re, you’re, you were talking about your first superpower and you’re talking about kind of, I guess my, my takeaway is it kind of sounded like, like active listening a little bit, um, just,

[00:08:01] Sohee Jun: it is, and then like, take it times 10.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, at the basis and then being able to connect the dots from macro context of the organization to the individual at the micro level, and then being able to, Solution or provide thoughts that unlock maybe challenges that they haven’t really thought of in, in different ways. So, so yes.

And, and I live in a world of yes. And which is yes, active listening and connecting dots and probing questions that get them to think and see things differently. I love

[00:08:40] Michael Pacheco: that. That was, that was, I was having a conversation with another coach the other day. about, we were talking about AI, right? AI has been kind of a hot button topic this year.

Um, and, and it’s, it’s my opinion that one of the things that I’m not sure AI will ever really be able to do is that, is that, that abstract creative thinking that humans do where you’re, you take. Multiple experiences that are subjective, depending on who you are, right? Everyone experiences everything very differently and uniquely.

You and I might go through the same exact process and you’re gonna have a different takeaway than I’m gonna have and taking those personal experiences that you gain throughout your life. And then looking at a problem and connecting those dots, because everybody’s going to connect them in different ways because everything that we’ve experienced is so subjective.

I just don’t see AI. I mean, this is really neither here nor there. I’m just, it’s an interesting kind of thought experiment, right? I don’t, I don’t see AI being able to. Do that or replicate that because it’s such a subjective thing.

[00:09:52] Sohee Jun: So I love this topic because of course it is on a lot of people’s minds.

I have colleagues and coworkers that are really experimenting with it in different ways. And, and I’m number one to say it won’t happen. There’s a possibility that it happens that it advances so rapidly because we know technology is advancing so rapidly that it might. You know, maybe in my lifetime, even, you know, who knows?

However, I do say that as long as we are on this planet, as humans, we are doing work through and with people and we are humans. So to be able to connect in the workplace in ways that enhance trust and enhance your influence and your credibility and to. Uh, make revenue and also do it in a way that preserves integrity and relationships.

That’s what I cannot do yet. Um, and that’s what I think the coach a really the right coach when you match with the right coach is able to help amplify and help leaders do, um, at the day. Even if I can get an essay or, you know, a newsletter written through chat GPT or what have you, and it’s great. I’m sure I haven’t done it yet.

I hear it’s great, but, um, we’re still doing work with

[00:11:08] Michael Pacheco: people. It’s still really, it’s a relationship game. A hundred percent. Yeah, totally. Um, so hey, how do you, how do you get your clients these days? How do you market yourself?

[00:11:19] Sohee Jun: Oh, gosh. So it’s ever evolving. So my, you know, again, I’ve been in the corporate world.

I’ve done I’ve led teams. So my clients come to me through knowing me in working with me or through really close referrals from trusted folks. So that’s the bulk of how I get my work. And I. You know, we just talked about relationships. I, um, oh, gosh, relationships are number 1 for me again, because I believe, um, the highest form of flattery is when somebody refers me from knowing me or having had me as our coach.

So that is, um, how I market myself and, and. And really working on my thought leadership again, as a, um, thought leader in the woman’s workplace challenges, uh, that space, putting LinkedIn newsletters out there, I have a monthly newsletter called the inner game, because the foundation of my coaching is built on the mindset work, emotional intelligence work.

Um, so it’s called the inner game of leadership and then I also do, um. A lot around putting perspectives and sharing content that is useful for people that are in my client base and out on LinkedIn. So yeah, that’s how I

market

[00:12:32] Michael Pacheco: myself. And for your client base, you, do you work exclusively with women?

[00:12:37] Sohee Jun: Not exclusively.

Yeah. And, um, And again, I believe it’s like, can I be of service to that person? Is there a match with their needs and how I’m providing coaching? So it’s not exclusive. However, that is my niche. And again, where I use my super powers the

[00:12:53] Michael Pacheco: most. Nice. What does a typical engagement with you look like?

[00:12:59] Sohee Jun: A typical engagement is no typical, but what I will say is once I understand what the presenting challenge is.

I love to do what I call like one on one interview. So Michael, if you were to come to me and you’re like, look, these are the things I think I need to work on. Um, there’s two different paths, really people that come to me from companies sponsored ways or individually. And individually, I do like a detailed intake, get to know the person and their goals and what they want to work on.

And then we’ll partner. You know, anywhere from 4 months to 6 months to even a year. So it really depends on the presenting challenges and meeting weekly or every other week or monthly. Really? That’s negotiable between me and the individual client to meet and then work on the challenges. So. I mean, I’m talking broad strokes.

That’s individual coming to me saying, I’m gonna do this, um, for my own growth. Now, from a corporation sponsored perspective, it’s, I’ll do the detailed, um, one-on-one interviews with everyone that interacts with you. So I’ll say Michael, name, like 10 folks that I need to go interview. Who can tell me how you show up internally.

It’s like a three 50. Yeah. Yep. And once I do that, I provide you with a summarized view of that. And then I go, Michael, let’s build a development plan based on this. So then that will be like a six month or nine month journey in which you and I meet on a regular basis and you work that plan.

[00:14:31] Michael Pacheco: Nice. Yeah.

What, uh, what sorts of challenges are typical for your clients?

[00:14:38] Sohee Jun: Oh, gosh, I do so much around for women, um, inner critic work. So that’s linked to imposter syndrome. A lot of, you know, that, that whole category of advocating for themselves. How do they have lasting confidence versus situational confidence? So I do a lot around that.

Executive presence and authentic leadership. And I think that’s a really important 1 for women. These days is I’m in this all male tech startup. How how do I show up? What does it even look like to be me and a leader, uh, in this space? So there’s that whole bucket and then for, you know, others, the more kind of broader.

Um, pressing challenges that come to me are around. Gosh, Michael, this person’s so technically smart at their job. They’re really don’t know how to lead. They’re kind of, um, really triggered easily. They don’t handle stressful situations. Well, that type of thing where, um, we have to give them different coping skills.

[00:15:41] Michael Pacheco: Interesting. And do you only work in, in kind of these, like. Larger corporate environments, or do you work with smaller businesses, uh, entrepreneurs, that sort of thing? Do that, that stuff as well. Yes.

[00:15:55] Sohee Jun: Um, and I think that that’s what the, my background lends itself to. So, I mean, again, I’ve been in corporations 15 plus years, my own journey meant I started out at jet propulsion lab, which is a NASA center.

So I worked literally, and I say this all the time. I work with rocket scientists, Michael, like I was the young kid put in front of scientists and engineers and. Teaching them how to lead. So like, I learned how to have gravitas pretty quickly and how to have lasting confidence. And then I jumped from engineering to financial services.

So I have a breadth of experience in, um, companies of that nature. And then I went to entertainment and then I did stints in startup world. So I have so much to pull from, which makes it again, valuable for the person that’s like, do you understand some of your culture? Yeah. Yeah, I get startup culture. I get big box entertainment.

So last 10 years of my career internal has been with entertainment media and creatives and working with them.

[00:16:55] Michael Pacheco: Nice. Yeah. Nice. Have you so we have you always been in in kind of the, uh, the leadership track? In, in, in organizations.

[00:17:04] Sohee Jun: Yeah. You know, my PhD is in organizational psychology and that’s just a fancy way of saying, yes, I’ve been doing what’s now known as talent management for over 20 plus years, but really honed in on coaching halfway through my career and specialized in that, because again, that was like, Ooh, I can make such an impact in ways that I.

Don’t see working with teams necessarily. And I also do group coaching as well. So that’s a part of the repertoire of the way of, you know, um, making an impact, but one on one coaching, certainly. And internally I was doing everything soup to nuts talent management. That’s cultural work. That’s org design, all the things.

[00:17:44] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. Nice. And you wrote a book. I wrote a book. And you’re writing a second book, but the book that you wrote, we’ll talk about, we’ll talk about the first book first. Do things in order. Uh, Mommy

[00:17:57] Sohee Jun: Tracked.

[00:17:58] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. So. Tell me about

[00:18:00] Sohee Jun: that, yeah. So Mommy Tracked is, the full title is How to Take Authentic Risks and…

Find success on your terms. You know, I’m looking over there cause I’m like, that’s my book right there. Yeah, it’s over there. So this book is not, and I have to say, this is not just for women that have kids. It’s really about helping women identify what success looks like for them uniquely. Um, and why that’s important is that a lot of clients I work with in myself too.

We get wrapped around like what we should do. Oh, I should be a doctor. It’s, I should be a lawyer because that’s what my parents expect of me. And especially from a immigrant perspective, I grew up, I’m

[00:18:43] Michael Pacheco: I was just going to

[00:18:43] Sohee Jun: ask. Yeah. Being South Korean, there were explicit and not so explicit things that I grew up with about what I should do.

So a lot of that is unlearning that to strip away what you. Think others want you to do and identify what it is you truly what truly lights you up and going for that unapologetically And you know that takes a lot of courage. It takes a lot of mindset work and a lot of reflection as well So the book is like having a coach in in the book that provides prompts and things for you to think about Um, and the foundations for how to go about identifying success for yourself and going after it.

So that’s mommy tracked. Um, and it was launched in 2020. And what I know so far is that it resonates for so many, not just women, but men as well. And how do they support women that want to identify with their own definition of success? So

[00:19:42] Michael Pacheco: I love that. I I’m, I’m gonna, I can see. Right now, I’m gonna have to buy a copy of that book from my wife, who’s, who’s Kind of a new mom.

We’ve got a 14 month old daughter. She was, she’s Chinese American, born in Hangzhou, and she immigrated when she was maybe four years old. And, of course, she also is a, she’s a doctor of physical therapy, because as an immigrant child, that’s what you do. You become a doctor or a lawyer or something like that.

Yes, yes. I feel like I should talk to your wife. Yeah, and she’s, and she’s, so right now, too, so she’s struggling with, Um, the, what she really wants to do is, is do more chronic pain coaching. So she’s a physical therapist specializing in chronic pain, and she really wants to do coaching. And she’s, I think right now is, is having some of these identity struggles, right?

Of who she is and like, what is the right thing for her to do? Um, you know, given the way that she was raised and the values that were Embedded deep within her from day one. Oh

[00:20:49] Sohee Jun: yeah. I offline, Michael, you and I, she introduced me to your wife, but, um, I see a lot of similarities, you know, I came to the States at six, so there was a lot of that kind of tension, internal tension.

And, um, so there are definite, I identify with her story and there’s definite strategies. Explicitly that she can try, um, and 1 that’s identifying what is it that you want to do? And it sounds like she’s already there with knowing. So then it’s really how do you take? I’m and I’m so passionate about this micro steps.

Yeah. And the book talks about this. It’s like, don’t boil the ocean and try to figure out what everything is. After that, take the next best step and then keep moving forward and then pivoting as you need to. And, you know, I know these are kind of broader terms, but when you can identify the next best step, that will lead you to the next thing.

And I think we get caught up as people of like trying to figure it all out, knowing everything and life doesn’t work that

[00:21:50] Michael Pacheco: way. Well, especially as, as, you know, kind of, uh, high achievers, having, having everything, like, I think she, I think she wants to. I think she wants to have everything mapped out, you know what I mean?

And just taking, just taking the next logical step doesn’t feel like enough. Um, and, and I think, you know, there’s definitely inner critic stuff there. Um, in, in the, in the whole idea of, of changing careers. Um, it’s obviously there’s a lot of fear involved too in, in, in. All of it. Yeah, I’ll, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll talk offline more about that.

And I’ll have to get a copy. I’m happy

[00:22:33] Sohee Jun: to send you a copy. And I think, you know, the core of that is the fear is, um, are you listening to, to your, um, inner intuition and guide more often than the fear? I mean, those are the decisions that we need to be anchoring around and certainly happy to talk more, but yeah, I think the book could help her.

I love it. And congrats on your child and your kid.

[00:22:56] Michael Pacheco: Thank you. She’s, yeah, her name’s Opal. Opal. She’s 14 months old and she is a, a goddamn gem. She’s amazing.

[00:23:07] Sohee Jun: I love 14 months old. They’re so much fun.

[00:23:09] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. Yeah. She’s, she’s walking around and she’s, she’s talking. Not English quite yet, but she’s talking like things are being said that.

She seems to understand more than we do.

[00:23:21] Sohee Jun: She’s like, why doesn’t anyone pick up what I’m saying? Let’s go, people. Come on,

[00:23:25] Michael Pacheco: everybody.

[00:23:27] Sohee Jun: I, um, yeah, I have kids, and I don’t know if I shared this with you, Michael, but mine are now 13, 11, and 8. Yeah. And every age has challenges and I still feel like every age is so fun.

It’s so fun. I mean, they, to see them grow into their own selves and develop their own passions. Oh, there’s nothing more enriching

[00:23:50] Michael Pacheco: than that. Yeah. I’m, I’m, you know, as, as, as a first time father, I’m really looking forward to her getting a little bit older. Um, so that, you know, so that we can do more interesting things other than, you know, we have fun though and, and, you know, for me, like, I’ve been blessed.

I, I’m, I work from home. Um, my wife is a director at a physical therapy clinic. So she goes into work part time. Um, and I have been. Uh, way more involved in, in Opal’s life, I think than a lot of dads are able to be in their children’s lives, especially at this age. So that’s, I’m super grateful about that and, and yes, and

[00:24:36] Sohee Jun: yeah, yes, and I love that you are so active in Opal’s life and I do think that that is a gift that you’re fully there when you can be.

And yeah, it’s really, it’s. Hard. I, um, you know, from, uh, I mean, every age and stage presents its own challenges as I shared, but I think with my third child and I love him dearly, but by the time I had my third, I was like, I don’t, I don’t want to play trains with you anymore. Come over it, kid. Come over it.

So I get that desire to have them grow up and be like, come on, self sufficient. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:12] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. Or just like, you know, let’s, I got a, I got some work to do, you know, outside in the yard. Let’s, come, come help me do that. Let’s bond. And things like that, you know. Yeah, I know, I know, Michael. But, uh, for now, you know, it’s, she’s been sick the last few days and she’s such a trooper and it’s just, you know, at this size when you hold them and they just like grab you back and nuzzle into your neck.

I mean, be still my heart. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I get that. Oh, gosh. I digress.

[00:25:46] Sohee Jun: Listen, this is not a podcast about

[00:25:48] Michael Pacheco: fatherhood. No, I know. Well, it was your book Mommy Tracked got me, got me going down, down that path. So I blame you. Um, I own that.

[00:25:57] Sohee Jun: Yeah, I’ll

[00:25:58] Michael Pacheco: take it. Tell me, tell me about your second book that you’re currently writing or it’s Publishing later this year, I think.

[00:26:06] Sohee Jun: And before I’d love to share what came in between that. Um, I recently did a TEDx talk that I’m really thrilled about. And it’s for the TEDx flatbush stage. It was held in Brooklyn and it’s a, the title is thriving through change. And it is such a, needed talk because hello. Obviously I did that, but, but beyond that, we’ve all been through change, really traumatic changes, the collective world, and there is no stopping change.

So how do we stay resilient? How do we thrive through it rather than feel like we’re being taken under by it? So that was the talk and it’ll be out within the next three weeks. And certainly by the time the, this podcast is out, um, it will be out as well. So there’s that. And then my second book is. Um, launching in October and gosh, this book is so, so, um, filled with wisdom.

And the reason why I say that is I did, I took a year to do a survey of the clients I got to work with who were open to me serving them about, um, the deep wisdom that they share with their inner circle. So, you know. What women do is like, we get into our little circles and we go, blah, blah, blah. This is what I would do different.

This is what I regret. This is what’s really lighting me up. And we share in our inner circles. Yet what I wanted to do was amplify it kind of like, um, deconstruct it so that everyone can have insight into what they would do differently. You know, how are, how did they get there? Get where they are now, and what would you tell your younger self?

What would you say about your life now? And really the concept of being invited into my kitchen table, which, you know, is a way of connecting and having deep conversation. So that’s the premise of the book around these. You know, core tenants of change and resilience and career and mindset and you know, all the things that we want to amplify for other women so that they can succeed in their own way.

So it’s, it’s a, um, but my story, but more importantly, the stories of women that allowed me to interview them for this

[00:28:27] Michael Pacheco: book. Yeah. I love that. I have. A fondness, a special fondness for those kinds of books that are like, they’re like curated crowdsourced wisdom. So it’s not just, you know what, you know what I mean?

It’s like, it’s not just the author kind of standing on a stage talking about their wisdom and their experience. There’s also this kind of like greater wisdom, I guess, that all kind of comes together in one place with, with, you know, a common thread. Yeah.

[00:29:01] Sohee Jun: Yeah, because I always say like when I’m doing leadership off sites, I, I, my thing is there’s so much wisdom in the room and that’s, you know, what the take on the book is, is look beyond me.

I want to highlight all of the experiences brought into this book through these women at my table and hope that we can help others really learn and. What I would say like, um, get it quickly faster than I learned it myself.

[00:29:29] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. Nice. How far along in the book are you? I’m curious to know if you have an answer to this yet.

Maybe you don’t. That’s okay. Um, how are, how is the book organized?

[00:29:40] Sohee Jun: Um, yes, it’s organized through, um, like, uh, the tenants of what I call like mindset, um, challenges. So kind of like pillars of what’s a core challenge. What’s a work thing you would do differently. Like, what do you call those? Like. What would you call that, Michael?

Um,

[00:29:59] Michael Pacheco: uh,

[00:30:00] Sohee Jun: premise? Premises? Premises. And so every woman gets to have their own voice within the premises. We start with mindset and why that’s so important. Yeah. And we break down each chapter like that. So right now, to answer your question, I’m in the editing, furiously working on editing the chapters so that we can get it out in October.

[00:30:22] Michael Pacheco: Awesome. Very cool. Uh, pre order?

[00:30:26] Sohee Jun: Oh, gosh, yeah! I mean, that’ll probably happen in September. I don’t know this stuff yet, but I’ll be

[00:30:32] Michael Pacheco: alright! I, so, the last two podcasts that I recorded were with… Uh, book, book publisher or book publishing coaches. Um, so this is all like very fresh on my mind. So I know the right questions to ask.

Oh, I

[00:30:49] Sohee Jun: love that. Cause I’m like, how do you know this stuff? But yeah, there’s going to be an ability to pre order in this fall.

[00:30:55] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. Very cool. Sweet. What else? Uh, let’s see here. I’m just looking at my,

[00:31:03] Sohee Jun: it’s already been like, yeah, 45 minutes or so.

[00:31:07] Michael Pacheco: Yeah. Um. What sort of things did you first struggle with you with when you started, when you first decided to branch out from leadership roles and companies and try coaching for the first time, what struggles did you have then?

Oh my

[00:31:24] Sohee Jun: gosh. So, by the way, I’m going to do a session on entrepreneurship with a dear friend and colleague of mine who’s coming out from Australia. So I’ll just. Because it gets to this topic and I was sharing this with somebody else who just started their own business today. So in our call, she asked that same question.

And Michael, like, I have to tell you, what I was clear about is my niche who I’m in service of highly successful women, emerging leaders and executives. Great. I got that down. I know I want to coach. And then what else do I need? Well, I definitely need a website because that’s like the calling card these days, right?

That’s like the business card of today’s world. Digital storefront. Yeah, beyond that, it’s been, um, honestly, a series of evolution, like iterative evolutions, if that makes sense in that. Okay. I know what I core want to do. I know I need a website and I have some clients that want to work with me. So then trusting each interaction and, um, where I felt a call in terms of like lit up following that.

And being very, very scared and having times of like, I’m never going to get a client again. I just know it. And then taking another step forward and going, okay, well, maybe it’s not as bad as I make it out to be with my inner critic being really loud sometimes. So when I say I coach from lived experience, it’s exactly that.

I am not absent of inner critic. I’m not absent of fear. Well, what I choose to do is to anchor on what’s the next best step and try that and see where it takes me. I definitely have a vision. I have a North star that I anchor to, but my philosophy is how I get there. That’s the fun. Like, yeah, you know, I’m going to publish my second book.

Certainly. But how I do that. I’m not so tied to. So I think that’s where the. The following the passion comes in for me. I love that.

[00:33:15] Michael Pacheco: I love that. That’s so, no, that’s great. That’s brilliant. That’s brilliant. Because what you’re doing, you’re really like, and I’ve done this before as well. In fact, I was telling you before we started recording that, that, that my family, we live on 30 acres in the mountains.

We’re, we’re off grid. This all happened. Through, through this visioning practice that we did, it wasn’t really vision boarding, but it was like, we wrote down kind of our perfect average day. And we focused on this vision that we had. And we’re like looking at each other, like, how in the hell are we going to make this happen?

No clue. It took us about nine months and, and, and it just happened because we were focused on it and we had no clue how we were going to make it happen and it just worked. So what you’re talking about, right? You want to, you know, you want to publish a book. You don’t really, how, how it happens is, is secondary.

It doesn’t even really, it’s going to happen.

[00:34:08] Sohee Jun: Yeah. And so that’s where I ask people, pay attention, pay attention to the opportunities that come to you, pay attention to the connections, because those are the things you follow to make that ultimate goal come to life. And yes, to your point, Michael, like focus on it.

And this is where I advise entrepreneurs in particular, like be careful of how you spend your day and how you spend your energy. And that is an evolution with time you learn. Okay. I don’t want to spend my energy in this way. So how do I craft it in service of my ultimate vision? So my business has changed on the inner workings of how I schedule my day.

Um, to be uber focused, right. And so for some clients, my book and all the keynotes that I do, but your point is well taken, which is have the focus and the vision and then, you know, have fun with making it come to life.

[00:34:55] Michael Pacheco: Totally. Yeah. You’re as a psychologist, you’re probably familiar with the particular activation system.

It’s like, you know, when you get, when you buy a new Kia. Car, all of a sudden you notice all the key is out on the road. So if you’re folk, all we did was just focus on the result that we wanted. And then the opportunities that came our way that may have come our way. Anyway, we were focused on, we knew what we were looking for.

So we started to notice stuff, right? Yeah. And it works. It works. It’s like magic. This is, I think it’s a big part of like the secret, um, or like when, you know, the universe providing for you, uh, you know, if you want to make it kind of woo woo stuff, you just, you start noticing all these things that are, that are coming along if you’re focused on the right things.

[00:35:44] Sohee Jun: Yeah, and I think that that term is popularized. What I will say to that is, you know, it’s the mindset work that makes that happen. So when you’re talking about focus and paying attention, that’s reorient and reframing experiences to support your vision. Um, say I had an experience that I thought I would look at it from a really historically biased way, or just like a repetitive pattern.

How about we reframe that and see what’s possible. Right. So one of the things that I really believe deeply in is anchor on what’s possible and versus like, Oh gosh, that sucked. Or, or that wasn’t possible. Yes, it might’ve. And yes, and if it sucked and what’s possible still, so that’s the mindset stuff that I’m so passionate about, because that.

Is what makes the magic

[00:36:28] Michael Pacheco: work. I dig it. I love it. You’re my favorite. You’re,

[00:36:34] Sohee Jun: so you do, I want to all your podcasts and you’re going to say like that to everyone. I

[00:36:40] Michael Pacheco: don’t, I swear to God. Uh, Sohi, this has been fantastic. I want to be respectful of your time. Is there anything that we have not talked about that you would like an opportunity to, to chat about before we wrap up?

[00:36:52] Sohee Jun: No. I mean, thank you for giving me the form. I talked about the book coming out in October. I want people to finally connect with me and find me on LinkedIn and my website, which I believe you will list. And let’s continue the conversation. If they resonated with me, let’s go.

[00:37:08] Michael Pacheco: I love it. I love it. Uh, we will have, uh, links to everything that we can get links for on the show notes page.

We’ll definitely get a link to, uh, to the book. The TEDx talk is not yet published, but it will be soon. It

[00:37:20] Sohee Jun: will be because we’re now to April. It will be in

[00:37:22] Michael Pacheco: May. Yeah. Awesome. So we’ll get, we’ll have a link to that by the time this, by the time this airs. Um, sweet. That’s great. Thank you, Sohee. Thank you, Michael.

And thank you, of course, as always to our listeners and viewers. Uh, you guys are awesome without you. None of this means anything. So, uh, thank you as always. And we will see you guys next time. Keep listening. See ya. Bye. All right.